Tags: Afghanistan, Al Qaeda, Taliban
Guys, Better get your red markers out. It’s all over except the “shouting and body count”. The facts on the ground will be difficult to reverse, with any new administration. Afghanistan’s population (probably, the entire developing world’s population) has increased by 50% since 9-11-2001, which translates into unlimited cannon fodder in low intensity conflicts. Expeditionary forces have limited impact in this new era.
Finally, Wikipedia has a new (and very incomplete, of course) map of who controls what in Afghanistan. It needs to be severely updated, though.
The thing is, is that it’s hard to make an accurate map of who controls what in Afghanistan, because Afghanistan does not get the attention that Syria or Iraq does. The Taliban only release periodical media compilations, and the way Afghanistan is structured with it’s districts make it hard to deduce who actually controls what at any given time.
Obviously our president (?) Is deploying piecemeal forces to cover his butt till 1-17, where upon he is not responsible, in his mind anyway. Meanwhile these ten thousand or less troops will be hounded by a taliban/Islamist enemy who has been allowed to openly run a thirty square mile training camp. Only after a year of seeing what metastasized in Iraq after not sticking around, instead, allowing Iran’s quds force to take over the daily missions of the Iraqi military, our chief decides it might be prudent to leave an obligatory force so he won’t look more stoopid (double o stupid) than he did in Iraq. Now Russia is laughing at him as he says their acting out of” weakness” ?? They sure look weak as they pound the crap out of all those
“Moderates” we’ve been supplying.
Yet, a lot of us DO NOT want to spend any more treasure and blood in these forlorn places, period. So, let the Iranians and Russians spend their blood and treasure there. That said, we need to hang in there with the Kurds in Iraq and Syria, a competent and secular people who have always done a lot of our bidding and dirty work, and, especially now. They have no real friends there, whether it be Turkey, Iraq, Iran, or Syria.
@Dennis, what policy do you advocate instead? Eternal occupation?
It’s important to know when to accept defeat.
The Taliban are the official power in Afghanistan.They are fighting back criminals.
We simply cannot, must not, and should not ever surrender to these animals. Or sit at a table across from them. Or look the other way. The Taliban are a scourge on humanity, just as bad as any terrorists out there. Per Amnesty, their “hit list” includes “activists, journalists and civil servants based in Kunduz…
When the Taliban took control of the National Directorate of Security (NDS) and other government and NGO offices in Kunduz on Monday, they gained access to reams of information about NGO staff, government employees and members of the security forces – including addresses, phone numbers and photos.”
They are killing our friends. Obama get your gun.
It takes political wisdom and courage to know when we have lost. You can not do the same thing over and over and expect a different result
We also have to look at the consequences of our wars. Both the Iraq and Afghan wars helped Iran, a nation that develops long range missiles, and terms US its enemy despite all the extended hands from desperate US diplomats.
We need a holistic review of our foreign policy, and become more like China rather then compete with a bankrupt Russia.
Let Russia destroy itself in the Middle East. Now is the time to walk away while Russia plays Russian roulet with itself. Let our enemies fight each other
Disagree. We broke it, we own it… morally and under public international law. We should stop doing Saudi and Israeli bidding and join hands with the Russians and kill Islamists.
It serves our geopoloitical interests to let Russia and Iran bury themselves in a quagmire.
Not to help them. As I said, we should let our enemies bleed each other if they want to.
We don’t have 14 billion a year
In Vietnam in the 1960s there was a saying that the government controlled most of the country by day and the VC and NVA controlled it by night. Targeted assassinations of government officials was the norm then, and still is the norm. I’m not sure any number of foreign troops can stop an insurgency that knows the terrain and has lived in it for decades. Strategically, no nation (USSR, US, etc) has the ability to station troops in Afghanistan, or any other nation, for decades — encouraging them to ‘go native’. Troops demand to be ‘rotated’ back home to family. There’s also not the will among those ‘back home’ to fight to the death and pay any price. Breaking the will of the Taliban fighters is a tough nut to crack. I don’t see that Kabul has the single-minded determination to win this war. I hope I am wrong, but this reminds me a lot of the collapse of the Saigon government ‘back then.
Oh this Map… As if there is nothing happening in Jalalabad…
Harris, we couldn’t be more clear that we are using open source info for map, and that we believe this map underestimates what is happening, particularly in south and east.
Anwar al-Awlaki once quoted d Quran & said that Muslims are going to win. I think d earlier all forces submit d beta so money &lives are saved. 4me I will start learning more about Islam. I don’t want to b on d loosing side
Jim, while I don’t condone open ended commitments, I do hope that when we fight wars we do it to” win” .Don’t tie the hands of our fighters by saying we will take the “moral high road” .what war is being fought like that, ?No one other than us, even our” friends” laugh at that.Wars MUST be fought without politicians telling our enemies how we won’t do this or that.My policy? The Powell doctrine. Simple, go in blow it up kill all combatants then make” peace” .
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