'Good' Taliban destroy Afghan Army base


South Waziristan Taliban leader Mullah Nazir. Click to view.

Forces under the command of a leader considered to be one of the "good Taliban" by the Pakistani military destroyed an Afghan Army camp.

Taliban forces commanded by Mullah Nazir blew up an the Afghan Army base, which was just across the border from the Angoor Adda region in Pakistan. The region is under the control of Nazir, a Pakistani Taliban commander.

"Sources said the Taliban planted explosives all over the base and blew it up, destroying bunkers and installations," Dawn reported. The based was destroyed after "a contingent stationed there moved out of the fortified compound." The Taliban and "a group of tribesmen" then looted the base.

The destruction of the Afghan base by Nazir's forces follows the Dec. 6 attack on a Pakistani Army checkpoint at a bridge in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, which is also under the control of Nazir. The attack resulted in one one soldier killed. The Taliban suffered six of their own killed after the Pakistani Army counterattacked. The military did not take further actions against Nazir.

Pakistan's military and intelligence services consider Nazir and his followers "good Taliban" as they do not openly seek the overthrow of the Pakistani state. However, Nazir openly supports Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, and wages jihad in Afghanistan; more senior al Qaeda leaders have been killed in Nazir's tribal areas during the US air campaign than in those of any other Taliban leader in Pakistan.

Earlier this year, just prior to launching a military operation against the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan in the Mehsud tribal areas in South Waziristan, the military agreed to a peace deal with Nazir as well as with North Waziristan Taliban commander Hafiz Gul Bahadar. Nazir and Bahadar are not members of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan. Bahadar and the Haqqani Network, which is also based in North Waziristan, are also considered "good" Taliban by the Pakistani government and military.

The peace agreement allows for the Pakistani military to move through Nazir and Bahadar's tribal areas without being attacked. Another condition of the agreement prohibits Bahadar and Nazir from providing shelter to fleeing members of the Mehsud branch of the Taliban.

But Taliban fighters from the Mehsud tribal areas have sought shelter with Mullah Nazir in the Wazir tribal areas, and the rearguard fighters still opposing the Army's advance are receiving support from Nazir's forces, US military and intelligence officials have told The Long War Journal.

Bahadar and the Haqqanis are also providing shelter to fleeing Taliban fighters and covert support to the Mehsud Taliban, and they also shelter al Qaeda leaders and fighters. The covert US air campaign in Pakistan's tribal areas has zeroed in on North Waziristan. Since the Aug. 5 strike that killed Baitullah Mehsud, the former leader of the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, 14 of the 18 reported airstrikes have taken place in North Waziristan. And nine of those 14 attacks in North Waziristan occurred in territory administered by the Haqqani Network.



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READER COMMENTS: "'Good' Taliban destroy Afghan Army base"

Posted by Solomon2 at December 20, 2009 10:14 PM ET:

Now a Afghan one, just for good measure: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/11-taliban-destroy-afghan-post-near-border--il--13

Posted by natej740 at December 20, 2009 11:46 PM ET:

A good taliban is a dead taliban

Posted by J. Daniels at December 21, 2009 4:56 AM ET:

In the months and years of the Pak offensive against their Taliban, I've not seen even one pic of a dead Talib fighter, killed by Pak soldiers. Have any of Long War Journalists ever seen a dead fighter killed by the Pak offensive against their Talib?

Is the Pak war against their Taliban just empty Pak propaganda, just Pak dishing out some figures of their Talib fighters killed, without any verification whatsoever by independent columnists ?.

Musharraf did the same, announcing some alqaeda capture or killed every time he came to Washington, with beret in hand.

Without pics of dead fighters, it looks like the same old Pak trick.

Posted by natej740 at December 21, 2009 7:04 AM ET:

J. Daniels I've seen a few videos of dead and captured taliban in Pakistan. I'll get you the links later I'm on my way to work now...

Posted by Kemal at December 21, 2009 9:02 AM ET:

J. Daniels, here is a vid for you. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=440_1260291560

Posted by Charley at December 21, 2009 9:34 AM ET:

>Pakistan's military and intelligence services consider Nazir and his followers "good Taliban" as they do not openly seek the overthrow of the Pakistani state. However, Nazir openly supports Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden, and wages jihad in Afghanistan;

Great! On the other hand, Pakistan covertly supports Mullah Omar and OBL, and wages jihad in Afghanistan. With allies like these ...

Posted by KnightHawk at December 21, 2009 11:48 AM ET:

Good taliban, lol.
Ditto natej740

Posted by Zalmay at December 21, 2009 12:18 PM ET:

J. Daniels,

I have seen pics of many dead talibs in Pakistan and even videos of talibs being "interrogated" or beaten up from the Pak side. On the other hand I have seen almost no pictures of dead talibs since the Marines started their push in Helmand or even before that they were rare to come by.

This is the new sanitized version of war operated from Nevada.

Posted by T Ruth at December 21, 2009 7:53 PM ET:

Charley,

Pakistan is A LIE not an ALLY

Posted by PoliSCI at December 21, 2009 9:00 PM ET:

UHH Did I read the article right? Afghan Army base..in Pakistan? ??? If so it's a testament to subjectivity of that border that a mistake such as that could have occurred.

Posted by PoliSCI at December 21, 2009 9:01 PM ET:

...guess I should have re-read the article before the previous post

Posted by Ian at December 21, 2009 10:49 PM ET:

T Ruth: Unfortunately, the Pakistanis feel the same way about the US.

Posted by Raven at December 22, 2009 10:46 AM ET:

Ian: "Unfortunately, the Pakistanis feel the same way about US, India, Israel and generally the West." should be more accurate. How do Pakistanis feel about Saudi, Yemen, Sudan, Ethiopia and Umma? There is a pattern here, you know..


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Posted by thomas at December 23, 2009 9:05 AM ET:


What are his thoughts in late December, the period when the Soviets thrust into Afghanistan with a troop buildup on Dec. 24 and Dec. 25 and then the overthrow of the government on Dec. 27?

"Bitterness and regret that we were drawn into this war," Tsalko replied.

In short, he said, "those who fought there do not want to talk about it when they're not drunk."

Unlike Russia's springtime celebration of its World War II victory over Nazi Germany, a national holiday that includes a triumphant, sparkling military parade in Red Square, the anniversary of the Soviet war in Afghanistan is hardly mentioned in the cold, dark days of December."

Posted by T Ruth at December 23, 2009 10:16 AM ET:

Ian about Pakistan's 'feelings', i could simply say Lucy's in the Sky with Diamonds, and leave it at that.

I was responding to the simple facts that Charley had outlined above....not so much about feelings.

Now, if America/India/Israel have a secret 'strategic death' plan for Pakistan, in Balochistan and consequential dominos, then i could understand their feelings, though not necessarily sympathise with them.

A move in Balochistan would be the right counter to Pakistan sleeping with good Taliban
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/21/us-taliban-balochistan-strategy-pakistan

Posted by Saladin at December 23, 2009 2:35 PM ET:

Afghanistan is an ongoing CIVIL WAR between pashtuns and northern alliance. Why does America refuse to listen to this hard cold fact? Pashtuns are supported by Pakistan because there are many Pashtuns in Pakistan also. So yes, Pakistan will support "good" taliban because America is supporting corrupt uzbeks and tajiks led by the puppet karzai. Why shouldn't Pak want friendly govt on the west, when the one on the east has dismembered our nation so many times in the past?? And America keeps preaching to us that India is "not a threat"....lol.

Posted by Doru at December 23, 2009 11:19 PM ET:

Hmmm , distroying a perfectly good , deserted military installation ... It seems that what you can not hold , might as well distroy , not a good sign for the Taliban's strenght .

Posted by Drew at December 25, 2009 12:41 AM ET:

If that's the 'good' Taliban, I would hate to see the bad Taliban...

Posted by Render at December 27, 2009 2:12 PM ET:

Sal - "Afghanistan is an ongoing CIVIL WAR between pashtuns and northern alliance."

Render - Wrong. President Karzi is Pashtun, the Talib are not. The Talib are Pashtun, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Chechens, Arabs, Punjabis and others. Karzi is not "Northern Alliance," he is a former Talib because of the ISI.

Sal - "Why does America refuse to listen to this hard cold fact?"

Render - Because of the most obvious of reasons; it isn't true.

Sal - "Pashtuns are supported by Pakistan because there are many Pashtuns in Pakistan also."

Render - So if Afghanistan supported a Pashtun revolution/civil war against Pakistan you'd be good with that? After all, there are many Pashtuns in Afghanistan as well. Even their president is a Pashtun.

Sal - "So yes, Pakistan will support "good" taliban because America is supporting corrupt uzbeks and tajiks led by the puppet karzai."

Render - There are no "good" Taliban, but it is nice to see a Pakistani admit that they are supporting the worst most evil religious maniacs on the planet today. So America supports corrupt Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Afghans led by the Pashtun Karzai. And Pakistan supports the corrupt drug dealing pedophile Taliban who throw acid in little girls faces. We prefer our corruption to come without the religious hypocrisy, thank you.

Sal - "Why shouldn't Pak want friendly govt on the west, when the one on the east has dismembered our nation so many times in the past?? And America keeps preaching to us that India is "not a threat"....lol."

Render - Pakistan would have a friendly government to their west, if they would stop supporting the Taliban. But I can see why that would be a difficult concept for a Pakistani Talib supporter to understand. After all, you can't seem to figure out why India (Mumbai) might be a threat to Pakistan after all the times Pakistan has attacked India and lost. If you don't want to feel threatened with dismemberment then stop attacking your neighbors. Tikka Khan is roasting in hell for a reason. You will join him sooner rather then later if you do not change your ways. Still laughing?

HUSQVARNA
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Posted by T Ruth at December 28, 2009 1:38 PM ET:

Render, thank you for educating sally.

One wonders what kind of a life these people have who want to lie down with good taliban.

Posted by TheRealHajiSayib at December 29, 2009 12:24 PM ET:

hey kemal thanks for linking to my video on liveleak :D